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Your opinion on the latest community pages look and feel

The look of these pages changed yesterday (March 12, 2015) and I thought their cascading style sheets were broken so I wrote to someone at Quantopian and asked.

What's your view?

16 responses

Personally seems less readable now to me. And less information per page too.

I would prefer a denser, more standard forum look, and I miss the thumbnail of attached backtest results.

The thumbnail was important to me as well.

The layout causes a lot of scrolling on a mobile.

Change for the sake of change. That's the world these days.
If web designers aren't remaking stuff they don't have a job.

"Yo! Like I'm bored. All my web work is done. What'cha want me to do now?"
"Why do you redesign the whole site from the start -- again -- for no good reason."
"Yeah, OK, sure."

Web people don't know when to leave the hell alone. It's a disease I'm afraid. Incurable.

Among other things, they modified the CSS, enlarged some fonts, removed thumbnails and search requires an extra click.

Would have preferred functionally useful things like adding a Returns column under the 'Live Trading' section at the top if the Algorithms page, would be helpful, making columns sortable with a click, and other ideas many of us have been requesting, plus a few of these little changes that might be quick and easy, for example.

not really feeling it..

we now have less date per page, when we needed more!! and search functions, more like a normal forum.

We need to pack more data into the page please.

overbright, harder to read any "gray" text. Liked the previous version better.

I liked the original better, more readable, more information, simpler.

Yall seem to be developing everything else in agile mode incrementally adding features. Not sure why this got changed so drastically.

It may have been better to update the layouts incrementally by adding and removing and tweaking here and there.

Sarvi
PS: I'd bring the old implementation back

Thank you all for the constructive feedback.

A bit of context on the design change is probably helpful: We've found the need to add new things to the navigation as our product has expanded and our company has evolved. We also have plans to add more features to the community, specifically ones that make it easier for visitors and community members to discover the highest quality content that is relevant to them. The original look-and-feel of Quantopian was constraining those improvements - it was faster to make a new look and feel than to retrofit the old one.

One of the big drivers of the change is adding research. As we roll research out, a few hundred people at a time, more and more people have the ability to share and clone research notebooks. Those notebooks are supported in the new look and feel in ways that wasn’t possible in the old one. Another big driver is our roadmap for community feature improvements. We’re designing a tagging feature that will make it easier to find the content you are looking for. That tagging feature depends on the new UI as well.

We don’t think of the new look and feel as completely done, and we’ll continue to iterate based on feedback and user testing. Some thoughts on the specific suggestions:

  • I think most of the comments on density are referring to the number of posts that fit on a screen. There’s a balance between readability and density, and we’ll keep weighing it.
  • We have some passionate defenders of the backtest sparkline graphs, and some haters too. The people who don’t like it find it confusing and some find it downright misleading.
  • Search is relatively rarely used. Moving it behind the icon keeps it easy to find but saves some screen real estate and lowers the intellectual overhead of reading the page.
  • The search function itself is unchanged and needs work. It needs to be improved to have a higher success rate for visitor searches.
  • I've seen a couple monitors where the gray text is a lot fainter than intended. We're trying to figure out why that's happening.
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There was that recent thing with "The Dress" where some ppl saw white and gold and others saw blue and black, really amazing.

"The Emperor's new WebSite"

I can see the need for changing the layout to accommodate new or more stuff.

But in the process, we seem to have lost a couple of things. Even if we do not bring the old layout,
The new layout needs to evolve to address a few things
1. information per page. The previous layout had a pretty good informatation density, yet very readable, without feeling cluttered.
2. The backtest graph may have confusing for some people, who could have chosen to ignore it. But for me it was very useful. It may help to understand what was confusing the people that were confused and adapt it accoridngly instead of removving it.
3. improved search
4. Be able to tag and organize like a wiki. A way to collect threads under topics/tags/themes

By the way I used to create websites and found it really difficult to build a search function so I can empathize with that one. And regarding search, here's a beautiful thing that I would like everyone know about, you can do a search at your favorite search engine specifying that all of the results must be from a particular site, for example, suppose you want to see examples of history() along with close_price, you can do a search like this:
history "close_price" site:quantopian.com (works at google, bing and yahoo, not sure about any others)
(the underscore is basically taken as a space behind the scenes by google so that's why the quotes are included here)
And then you can drag search result links from one window to another to quickly breeze through lots of content.

Hi Dan,

At QuantCon, I had a brief discussion with someone that one thing that's missing is a way to team and collaborate on projects (he provided https://www.kaggle.com/ as an example). One step in this direction would be to integrate into the forum a means to post revision-controlled code, basically launching a public algorithm project. For example, I recently posted some code, and got helpful feedback, and now I see that a number of members have cloned my cobbled together code. I'd like to make some changes, re-post, and get more feedback, all out in the open for the world to see. So, then I post my revised code on the same thread, along with perhaps other contributed versions, and more commenting and cloning occurs, and pretty soon we have a big, gnarly mess!

Would it be feasible to integrate github or another source control and collaboration tool into the forum?

On a separate note, preview of a post should just be in-line, not in a separate window that covers up the prior post (to which one might be responding).

Grant

The style looks great but there is way too much space. It now takes twice the effort to read through the post titles. Pls don't sacrifice usability for beauty a la bloomberg.com.