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Robinhood Gold Margins

Hi Guys,

Quick question for anybody using Robinhood gold, I see they keep mentioning up to 2X your capital but the margin seems like it's about 60% of your capital.

For example I have $5,000 but the highest tier of gold is only offering me $3,000 in Margin. Do I need a certain amount in my account to get my full account value?

Thanks

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P.S I also contacted Robinhood about a week ago they never replied, I'm closing my account with these Trashcans, can't trust them to answer a simple question yet alone with my money lol.

From my understanding, and the way it appears in my account, is that you essentially 'pre-pay' for a fixed amount of buying-power. You don't get any more buying-power just because you have more funds in your account. You only get what you pay for.

I'm at the lowest tier so I pay $10/month and magically get an extra $2000 of buying power. From the Robinhood help page ( https://support.robinhood.com/hc/en-us/articles/213262686-Robinhood-Gold-Buying-Power ) this buying power has all the same restrictions the SEC sets for buying on margin (makes sense). The major one being that "By law, Robinhood can only extend up to double your portfolio value in Gold Buying Power".

In practice, this means your added buying power is the lesser of the buying-power level you sign up for ($3000 in your case) or the cash value of your account. You will need to maintain at least a $3000 cash value of your account to get the full $3000 added buying-power. Robinhood mentions "up to 2x your capital". That would be the case if you had $3000 in your account. Robinhood would extend you an additional $3000 buying power. You would get "2x your capital" in leverage. However, if you had $5000 in your account, Robinhood would still only extend the additional $3000 you subscribed for, so your max leverage would be 1.6 ($5000+$3000 / $5000) .

It's different from the way most brokers work. Typical brokers will extend the max buying-power allowed by the SEC and then charge you interest only on whatever you use. Robinhood only extends a fixed amount of buying power and also, essentially, charges you interest on that amount whether you use it or not.

The BIG benefit I see, however, for Quantopian users going Gold isn't the added buying power. It's the niceties of a margin account.

  1. No more concern about running into the SEC 'Free Ride" rule for cash accounts. (https://www.sec.gov/investor/alerts/cashaccounts.pdf) Maybe this hasn't been a problem for you and maybe one's algorithm never accounted for this, but I'll bet you have never had your account 'frozen' for 90 days either.

  2. No more concern about waiting the T+3 days for funds to be available after a sale. This isn't really a 'problem' per se since ones algorithm probably simply checks for 'available_funds' before buying. The bigger issue is to ensure ones algorithm includes conditional code to mimic this behavior in backtests and then bypass it when running live. Without this 'T+3' code, backtests may not realistically model live trading.

Hi Dan, would I encounter free-range with a Robinhood instant account? From my understanding, going to instant is a type of margin account also?

Free-riding *

Hey Dan,

I don't know it's just really stupid especially when all over their publications they mention up to 2X, and them replying to a simple inquiry with a totally canned useless response, left a sour taste in my mouth, especially If I'm going to trust them with money. Withdrawing my money now as i speak.

@Addison

My understanding is that Robinhood Instant eliminates the free-riding concerns too. As you stated, it's a margin account under the covers.

Elsid, It's flat margin up to 2x. It's not 2x margin. It follows this formula:

Flat_margin = 3000 #based on your teir of gold and your_capial. see https://d2ue93q3u507c2.cloudfront.net/assets/robinhood/legal/Robinhood%20Gold%20Pricing.pdf  
your_capital = 5000

total_buying_power = min((your_capital + Flat_margin), your_capital*2.0)  

Yeah thanks for that document Luke, quite sad that you posted this information and their useless support didn't. Either way don't trust them with my money if they can't even answer a simple question in over a week.

I got a answer to this question recently.

Example - if your account is $3,000 and you want 2x of this you need a 5% cash buffer, equation goes $3,000 / 95% = $3157.89 (Minimum initial requirement before placed in a margin call)