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Handling Of Orders That Cannot Be Filled By Broker

Hello All,

These questions are aimed at both Quantopian and other users. I've been using the IB TWS demo account manually and I have a question about market orders that are not filled.

Trade 1: Buy 100 AAPL - no problem
Trade 2: Short Sell 100 IBM - message returned "IBM is restricted from short sale"
Trade 3: Short Sell 100 XOM - message returned "There is insufficient XOM available for short sale"

Question 1: What information is returned to the algo about Trades 2 and 3 when live trading?

Question 2: Has any though been given to a backtesting mode that could enable/disable the simulation of random occurrence of Trades 2 and 3?

Question 3: Are these rejections random within TWS in demo mode? (Maybe that's a question for IB.)

P.

5 responses

Hello AM,

Thanks. I did read that the demo is somewhat flaky. I've registered here: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/TWSAPI/info

P.

In trades 2 and 3, you would get a cancelled order back. There is another error I've seen that is "order held" and that one is left open while IB looks for shares. That is not ideal! I want to pass the full error back to you, but the connector isn't in place yet. You'll notice in the "logs" tab that you get SYSTEM messages about IB activity. When we finish the connector, you'll see the fuller IB message about short sales in the connector.

On #2, yes, we have thought about that. First we need to build a margin model so that your cash is more "real world" and doesn't permit unlimited borrowing. Once we have that, I think that will enable us to put in more realistic short sale failures. Note, though, that backtesting that would also include getting historical short sale availability, which isn't easy.

On #3, I have no idea if IB is doing random or giving real answers based on their short availability. I'd be curious about that answer too.

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Hello Dan,

Thank you. I was thinking for simulation purposes that if enabled you could randomly fail some orders - with different errors, if possible - just to keep it simple i.e. irrespective of real life short sale availability.

P.

You want a backtesting chaos monkey =)

Hello Dan,

Interesting! Quite a good idea, I think...

P.